Equivalence of general and vocational education is a much-invoked topic, especially amongst policy makers. Reality, however, often looks different. The hurdles at the transition from VET to university-level education indicate the lack of permeability within our education system. Differences in the way in which qualifications are utilised are apparent on the labour market too. The coalition agreement of the state government of North Rhine-Westphalia harbours considerable ambition in this regard, as Minister of Labour Karl-Josef Laumann explains in the interview.